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    Prototype Modeler - August 1977 - Page 62 Prototype Modeler - August 1977 - Page 63 Prototype Modeler - August 1977 - Page 64


    Harry Graham raised a question about my review of the Ambroid ATSF Caboose kit in the November/December, 1976, issue of Southwestern Prototype Modeler, concerning the air brake equipment. I re-checked my information on this and discovered that the drawings of the air brake equipment is incorrect in one detail. In both Figures 1 and 2 the brake cylinder is reversed; it should be shown with the tapered (operating rod) end pointing to ward the rear (cupola) end of the car rather than the front. Anyone making the changes outlined in that review should note this change for their model. Sorry for any inconvenienced caused by this error.
    R.H. Hendrickson, Contributing Editor


    Is there a CB&Q prototype for the Athearn bay-window caboose?
    Tom Krul


    No! The only "Q" waycar with a bay window was No. 14700 (BN 11274) built by putting regular windows and a bay window into an old XM-25 box car (see page 2 of Burlington Bulletin No. 5). The "Q" had no waycars numbered 13520 closest would be the 13525 on up series. See the 1973 BN Annual, pages 20 through 37, for full coverage of BN cabooses. If you decide to use the Athearn model, even though it is not prototypical, it should be painted to match "Q" practice, which is the same as Athearn did correctly on their extended vision cupola caboose which is silver including side grabs and end rails and ladders black. Anything beyond that would be pure conjecture since the "Q" never owned this style caboose.
    Gerald Edgar, CB&Q Editor


    I recently saw a 40 foot Southern Pacific tuscan-red box car with a diagonal yellow stripe on the door. What is the significance of this stripe?
    John Nardi


    Southern Pacific employees refer to these 40' box cars as "yellow stripers." These box cars were rebuilt in the Sacramento Shops in the early 1960s. Ten foot, three inch wide doors were installed replacing the original six foot wide doors to enable fork lift trucks to load and unload eight foot studs and other forest products with relative ease. The yellow stripe painted on the door allows easy identification of these wide door cars without looking at the numbers. Originally, it was thought that these cars would enjoy a seven year life span, but many have given many more years of service. Large numbers of these box cars can be seen west of San Antonio, Texas, on the "MUG," a west bound freight made up entirely of lumber empties bound for Eugene, Oregon. Many "yellow stripers" are stenciled: "When empty return to SP Agent, Eugene, Oregon. Southern Pacific Freight Car Specifica tion Sheet No. 4 , dated June, 1964, lists the following 55 ton, wide door yellow stripers:

    SP 173000-173434 (433 cars)
    SP 174000-174123 (122 cars)
    SP 175000-175386 (385 cars)
    SP 176001-176325 (271 cars)

    Subsequently, additional cars were rebuilt and added to the yellow striper fleet. Espee series 176000-176325 was expanded to 178999, with 348 cars as of July, 1973, but only 42 remained in service in October, 1976. The largest remaining group is in series 191000-192174 with 827 cars re ported in service as of October, 1976. Rather than tuscan red, it would appear these cars were painted with something closer to box car red, although weathering might put the appearance in the tuscan red area.
    Tom Cobb, SP Freight Car Editor


    Do you have any information on the through coast-to-coast sleepers that ran NY-LA on the Super Chief? Official guides show 4-4-2s via PRR and NYC; and also a 10-6 via NYC. Do you know whose cars? (ATSF, PRR, or NYC?) Color schemes? Names?
    Rev. Herman Page


    The Super Chief began carrying coast-to-coast sleepers in January, 1954. At this time, it picked up four coast-to coast Pullman route from the Chief: a 1010-6 and a 4-4-2 from New York City over the NYC (20th Century Limited both ways); a 4-4-2 from New York City over the Pennsy (Broadway Limited both ways); and a 10-6 from Washington, D.C. over the B&O (Capitol Limited eastbound and Shenandoah westbound). The Washington car operated through to San Diego on the San Diegan, making it the longest Pullman route in existence at the time (3,119 miles).

    The San Diegan portion of the through Washington car was discontinued in January, 1955; and the line then terminated in Los Angeles. The 4-4-2 over the Pennsy was discontinued in October, 1957. When the Super Chief was consolidated with the El Capitan in January, 1958, the 10-6s over the NYC and B&O were discontinued, leaving only the 4-4-2 over the NYC to operate in the combined Super Chief/El Capitan. But this route was to be discontinued in April, 1958, thus bringing to a close the short period of through coast-to-coast sleeping car service on the Super Chief.

    The Santa Fe, being very sensitive about the appearance of its premier train, the Super Chief, preferred to operate its own cars in this through-car service. "Regal" series 4-4-2s and "Pine" series 10-6s were used. And only v-e-r-y rarely would an eastern road sleeper show up in this assignment to break the stainless steel continuum of the sacrosanct "Super."
    Dennis Kogan, ATSF Passenger Car Ed


    I would like to paint up an Athearn GE U-28-B in the Rock Island paint scheme of the late 1960s and early 1970s, this service. especially units that were pull-powered with the Erie-Lackawanna.

    Going back to the June, 1967, issue of RMC there is an article by Jim Boyd entitled GE's "U-Boat Fleet" with black and white photographs of the Rock Island U-Boats (U-25 and U-28) in the maroon color paint scheme. But since these are in black and white they don't help me too much.

    From all the information I have been able to obtain, the units in question were most likely painted in the maroon color so I was wondering what would be a close match with Floquil paint. I also have the Micro-Scale decal sheet RH-18.

    I would like to know the color of the car body and also if the underframe and trucks are the same color as the car body.
    Ralph Fredenberg


    The Rock Island maroon paint scheme referenced in the June, 1967, Railroad Model Craftsman article on GE U-Boats can be matched using Floquil Diesel Maroon. It appears that the frame and under body were painted to match the locomotive body. I suggest that you obtain a color slide of one of these units to use for reference. Matching model paint to prototype paint colors is a problem as the subjects are viewed under different types of lighting conditions. The model should be painted so that it looks like a good color match with the prototype under the light it will be viewed with and this color will probably be different from the prototype color. Weathering of prototype paint can vary the apparent color of various units painted at different times with the same paint scheme.

    The Rock Island has had many different variations of paint schemes applied to diesels. There is no way of knowing exactly what paint scheme appeared on units pooled with the Erie-Lackawanna without slides or photographs of the units in this service.
    Cyril Durrenberger, Contributing Editor

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    • Original Author PM Staff
    • Source Prototype Modeler
    • Publication Date August 1977

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